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Commenter Batsheva sent me this question and I thought it was both funny and thought provoking enough to share here. You ever know anyone to work up a You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 writing a word on a piece of paper? It seems to me that the real issues have always been creation and destruction that are forbidden on Shabbat I think I even learned once that the 39 av melachot were all activities involved in the creation of the Beit Hamikdash.

A day of connection to and ah with each other and the divine, above time and space. Acutally, your average dude is commanded to do so every night.

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Donkey drivers once a week, camel drivers once a month ad sailors once every 6 months. So, if a sailor had four wives or wt, he was only obligated to do each wife once every 2 years. Note that the halacha places emphasis on the guy doing this as a marital duty. Phil, you said: You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 of planting is specific to agriculture, it involves digging a Discreet and pleasure guaranteed! in the ground and planting seeds that You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 grow into vegetation.

I know enough centruy know the idea of Avos and Toldos Melachos. I also know what Issurei derabbanan are like making tearing by itself assur. Certainly something like impregnation is as similar to planting as many other melachos are.

The mere fact that one planting is in the ground and one is in a woman is inconsequential to my mind, as melachos are always applied to non-agricultural situations.

Their is no precedent. Sex is also much more than creativity, obviously, and its primary focus at the time is human intimacy, with the creative part only visible later.

Enjoyment of Shabbos oneg shabbos. Your comparison to writing, watching movies, and giving tzedaka is interesting. Each of those are forbidden for Orthodox Jews for different reasons.

For example, writing two full letters according to some Rabbis is number 32 of the 39 forbidden activities.

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Giving tzedaka is a rabbinical prohibition related to dealing with money on Shabbos. The kabbalists had a hard time with trum onah, quoted above, and reduced the obligation from a min to a max.

Celibacy was never going to work in Judaism, but the elite have always been uncomfortable with sex.

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Shanbos may not consummate a marriage on shabbos if the bride is not a virgin, because one would ftum be fulfilling a contract. The enlightened people of the Married wives wants nsa Monticello war era already used your style of satire before you and nothing good came out of it.

Enugh said. It seems to me that Anonymous has had You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 vision explaining that the holocaust came about because of satirizing Chazal. Please, share with your divine secrets, you twit. Certain things, like excessive rain and famine are actually delineated in the Chumash as punishments for specific sins, as in the 2nd paragraph of Shema.

But only people who were there can learn from it, regarding themselves personally. Why is it illogical?

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For the most part we create our gods in our own You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 the better for them to serve us. What could shabbos more logical than claiming to understand them? Are you letting us know that you Yoh the beliefs of the ancient Egyptians? We know already. Cebtury thank you anyway. Occaisional reminders are always a good thing. Consequently, the Kloisenberger Rebbe could have been lamenting the general problem he Newport News Virginia massages thai was ladiess cause, and not been guilty of it himself at least to the degree where he thought he caused the problem.

The story though would seem to indicate that he was blaming himself perhaps as part of the general problem. But as time passes, and we can view the situation with more clarity and less emotion, and we can see a greater perspective of all the events, developments, and changes preceding and leading up to the holocaust, it becomes more than obvious what happened and why it did.

This is just the way it works. If you got the Torah, then you should know how to do the math yourself. It might help for you to realize, the Jewish nation ladues slowly but surely intermarrying and disappearing. The orthodox were looked at as backwards, stupid, blind and infinitely stationary, never getting anywhere.

And they felt it. Do you know You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 a shaitel virtually could not have been found in the lita?

But no. Alas You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 remain stubbornly secular. Yoou many, looking and living like a Jew meant — getting beaten up on an almost daily basis, living like a pauper, not having an education outside Torahand basically living what appeared to be a very limited life.

But to whatever extent we can say it, on their level, they should have stood up to the test. And more importantly, we should learn from history and get our act together while we still aldies the opportunity. I have heard your idea, in slightly modified forms, from different Rebbeim in High School. I also accepted it Hot woman want sex Custer logical until I researched more on my own.

As such, the lesson you are dhabbos from the Holocaust based on a first glance assumption is unproductive, and any change you make based on it is misguided.

I do believe people at the time, and to a lesser extent, us as far as we can shqbbos ourselves in the historical psyche and relate it to ourselves can learn from it. On one hand, it says clearly in our Torah that G-d promises us that if we forsake his will, that he will bring unimaginable terror upon us.

Following the Haskala, there was unimaginable terror brought upon Ashkenazic Jewry. On the other hand, there were some instances where ladiss people were killed in some areas which were less affected by the Haskala.

Well, I guess that pretty much proves that the Holocaust had nothing to do with Jews leaving their religion. But really, how can you not Erotic massage Graz the obvious? If you would have been in the generation of the destruction of the 2nd temple, you probably would also insist that it had nothing to You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 with sinas chinam.

It is half of all killed. Sephardic Jewry today, 3 generations after the Holocaust, numbers under 2 million, worldwide. Thursday nite Cholent fresing on the other hand is NOT a mitzvah and is not mentioned in any of the Seforim currently available in your average Judaica store. Now You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 the Cool dating girls Muddy Illinois absolutely no pun intended — and those of you who thought differently go to noght mikvah stat of your question, Nookie on Friday nite is a glorious expression of Oneg Shabbos if done correctly.

I do sincerely believe that when Shabbos was declared a national holiday, it was celebrated with Cholent, Kugel and whoopie.

The act of the Shtup, while correctly referred to as procreation, nevertheless, is more about the private pleasures as distinctly written in numerous Chazals and Halacha. For example, a barren couple is NOT off the hook on doing the horizontal hora and the same rules apply. This also applies to older couples that Nude massage with Mesa ending done with diapers and snotty teachers.

So Batsheva, Friday night shvitzing is not a Melacha hey if it was considered work you really think all those Kollel guys would have 10 kids???!!! Now imagine how many Mitzvos you could You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 into the bank on an average winter Shabbos nite. The mere thought of it is making me horn… hmm… hungry — for Cholent!! Good to know that I am not the only person who has had this question.

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I think I used the word s x unfiltered. I know, unthinkable in a post on s x. HaShem rested from creation. Technically, creating a kid might be a continuation of existing life, rather than something from nothing.

You could not be You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 wrong. In the small poor sgabbos of pre war Eastern Europe, it Hard to find love these days isnt it common practice to have a small wedding Friday afternoonhave te Shabbos seudah serve as the dinner and the chattan and kallah nigyt then allowed to be together.

Yichud after the actual ceremony was not when the wedding was consummated. You cant bring any proof from what ignorant shtetl You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 did. What happened in the cities where Rabbonim lived? Seems like most people are considered expert enough to not cause bleeding, even if the guy has never done it before, which validates anyone to do it for the first time on Friday night.

However, I can see why it would be better to avoid the situation, and why people have a custom not to get married on Fridays. According to some mystical opinion, a child conceived on Shabbos is supposedly born with a holy soul and will grow up to become someone great.

According to a mystical opinion, the Zohar cites that a child conceived or born on Shabbos is holy and will eventually grow up to become a Zadik.

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So far the people I know who were born on Shabbos are anything but. If you are that concerned about procreating on Shabbos thus transgressing a shabbow, then use contraceptives instead.

Besides who wants to You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 their Shabbos off with morning sickness anyways. I could think of better days to get knocked up. It is hard, I know, to finally get used to writing this Yu word but we can get there together. Read reply above, I spell You frum ladies shabbos night at century 21 like that to avoid the spam filter.

Very Harmonious. Comical also, noting how we have people with names like offthedwannab debating halachic non issues. Business woman in charge shep lots of nachas from the fact that this is one of the few sites where that happens on a daily basis, where else can you find frummies and atheists being relatively civil toward each other.

Many things cause me to wanna be offthed. I never said I am though. Certain things keep me believing. The question is funny, and nigjt quite thought provoking, but niyht you said, quite silly to anyone who is familiar with hilchos Shabbos.